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| Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo (6-0-0) (Last 10 Posts) | Posted: 02/20/2009 at 17:47:30 |
| Total Posts: 87 |
Thread Title: "Additional Security Measures"
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| Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo (6-0-0) (Last 10 Posts) | Posted: 02/20/2009 at 17:47:30 |
| Total Posts: 87 |
Thread Title: "Additional Security Measures"
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| Former Seller: Joes Custom Guns(377-2-2) | Post#18 - Posted: 02/23/2009 at 09:56:14 |
| (no avatar) | WILLIE...Why don't you post as a buyer Are you waiting for the SELLER to post FIRST???? |
| Former Seller: babun(97-1-0) | Post#19 - Posted: 02/23/2009 at 14:55:14 |
| (no avatar) | Then I could talk about it....Sir, before I turned over another internet seller membership {not gun related}, I had, to my business partner, I had left 3180 positive feedbacks. I amassed a total of 2890 positives in return. This was just an average, middle of the road, ratio for all sellers in my general "size". I know you do a good job here in all aspects on AA. But consider this: What if every buyer looking at your auctions knew that you had over 2500 sales but yet have "ONLY" 1450 positive feedbacks? Might they think {and wrongly I will add} that you are not a good person to deal with? I will always leave positive feedback as soon as the buyer fulfills his end. BOB |
| Former Seller: ELDORADO 1(235-0-0) | Post#20 - Posted: 02/24/2009 at 05:48:47 |
| (no avatar) | I never thought holding feedback hostage was right and have always left it as soon as the buyers had sent payment and all required paperwork as requested, but several of the last sales I have had resulted in no feedback received from the buyer. Just a thought, but I wonder how hard it would be for AA to monitor this and set up a reminder e-mail to the buyer with a link for them to post the the feedback. Seems like several of the buyers are confused as to how to leave feedback and by providing them with a reminder with a direct link might result in more feedback being left. JMHO |
| Buyer: ODOTER(76-0-1) | Post#21 - Posted: 02/24/2009 at 09:54:31 |
| (no avatar) | Gentlemen: Could we please get back to the original purpose of this thread posted by Manny? I'm curious to see where this leads. |
| Former Seller: Petesguns(990-0-0) | Post#22 - Posted: 02/24/2009 at 19:18:56 |
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Perhaps if AA could look at the user names of all of it's members, and determine which ones use the name as their email address, and notify them that either the email or the name will have to be changed. It should be relatively easy to access the database of users vs. their emails. Then contact those whose names are the beginning of the emails to change one or the other. This does seem like a simple fix well within the capability of the AA machine, no? |
| Buyer: ODOTER(76-0-1) | Post#23 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 03:21:21 |
| (no avatar) | I'm really struggling here to understand why AA doesn't give all of the seller's information in the clickable link "Winner, Contact Seller" in the buyer's "My Closed Bids" section. This, I have to assume, is not available to anyone other than the winning bidder. Any buyer sending any payment to any name or address not listed in that link would be assuming his/her own risks. It is the seller's responsibility to keep that information up to date. To help that cause, AA could send an automatic reminder to the seller to confrim that information every time a listing is made. The seller would have to actively click a confirmation box to acknowledge having done so. Someone please tell me where my thinking is flawed. |
| Former Seller: ELDORADO 1(235-0-0) | Post#24 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 06:20:09 |
| (no avatar) | ODOTER....I think you are missing what is actually happening. The black hat is not contacting the winner.....he is contacting one of the losing bidders and trying to get them to believe he was the seller of the item and is trying to get them to send payment to him. The black hat is using the losing bidders nickname and then adding @aol, or @yahoo, or several of the other popular servers in hopes he gets a strike. Bob has repeatedly warned users about having their nickname the same as their e-mail address explictedly to avoid this. Some have changed their nickname or e-mail address and some have not. What AA is attempting to do by not showing complete nicknames in the list of bidders is an attempt to eliminate all the scammers from contacting them with an offer to buy something they (the black hats) have never owned. If you were not the winner but simply a bidder, you would not know if it was the real seller or not and might go ahead and send payment to the black hat which would result in you having a real bad day once you realized you had been taken. Hope this makes it more clear for you. |
| Buyer: ODOTER(76-0-1) | Post#25 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 11:31:18 |
| (no avatar) | ELDORADO 1: Thanks for your response. However, I do understand the problem and I think I am aware of what is actually happening. Let me try this again. No winning bidder, nor second bidder, nor third bidder, etc. should send payment to anyone who is not listed by AA as the seller for that item. The "black hat", as you refer to him as, would not be listed by AA as the seller and the "black hat's" contact information would not be available in the "Winner, Contact Seller" section of "My Closed Bids". Winning bidders must be warned to NEVER send payment to anyone not listed by AA as the seller in the "Winner, Contact Seller" section. That addresses the winning bidder. Now let's address the second bidder. Since the second bidder, or any other successive losing bidder, is not listed as the winner by AA, they won't be shown as the winning bidder by AA in their "My Closed Bids" section. As a result, they can not pull up the "Winner, Contact Seller" information and should know that any attempt by anyone to request payment is a scam. Do you see my point? ALL bidders must rely on AA to announce whether they are the winner. That is the main issue. AA alone notifies bidders who won, not a Black Hat. So, let all the black hats write as many emails to as many second bidders as they like. If members of AA use the system properly, there won't be any successful scams. Possibly, AA could have a special section tutoring bidders of the preferred procedures. As a result, I see no need to hide the bidders nicknames after the auctions have closed. |
| Former Seller: ELDORADO 1(235-0-0) | Post#26 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 15:16:55 |
| (no avatar) | If everyone was in tune with the system as you then you would be 100% correct. However, the black hats are not fishing for experienced people as yourself. They are fishing for the inexperienced and have disguised their e-mails to look like they are official Auction Arms contacts. I agree with you 100% in what you are saying but AA is simply trying to avoid them from scamming someone not as experienced as yourself. |
| Former Seller: Witnessguy(35-0-0) | Post#27 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 15:32:08 |
| (no avatar) | I think this is one subject which AA thinks it's trying to do the right thing. But evidently more people than me like to see who has bid on an auction for varying reasons. A few people who are too ignorant to verify where their funds are going, too asleep at the wheel to do a little checking before they blindly send money off, are going to inconvenience the hell out of the rest of us. I can hear AA now, "just how does it inconvenience you?". Some like Willie Ta use it for bidder screening, while I dont agree with that, it's his right to screen whoever he wants. I like to be able to see who's been bidding on items in a particular catagory. It makes NO differnce what reason you have for not likeing the hidden bidder, evidently a bunch of us dont. It makes the site look like Ebay without the guns in my opinion. Wguy |
