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Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo (3-0-0) (Last 10 Posts) Posted: 08/07/2006 at 14:00:00
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Thread Title: "New Communication Feature"
AuctionArmsCeo Buyers and sellers can now communicate with each other through the auction. Any messages sent between buyer and seller are now posted into the auction. We've found that sellers were having to repeatedly answer the same questions over and over, and by posting their reponse into the auction, they now answer everyone else's questions, too.
-manny
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Former Seller: Sportsmanssupply(1543-0-3) Post#59 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 16:13:59
(no avatar) About 95% of our sales are of the penny variety.Like Willie Ta I wish to voice that I liked things much better the old way.

Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo(3-0-0) Post#60 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 18:13:25
AuctionArmsCeo I've read everyone's posts regarding the new communication system between buyers and sellers and I have to say I'm very sorry I didn't anticipate everyone's negative reactions. Our intent was to create something that made it easier for buyers and seller to communicate with each other - not something that was supposed to make it harder. And it seems we haven't done a great job at managing this change.

A large problem that we're trying to address is the he said/she said that seems to occur when everyone relies on email. We've had so many problems as of late because of spam filters, or ISPs lableing us a spam domain, or new users not knowing how to use email - that it's become obvious to us that we need to eliminate email as an obstacle. Our answer is to contain all communications between our users to Auction Arms directly.

. As a seller, wouldn't it be nice to know that the bidder's email system wasn't the obstacle to your sending him a message about shipping information and the like? Send it through Auction Arms and you've got a time stamp you can rely on, and the comfort of knowing that all the bidder would have to do is log on to Auction Arms in order to see that message.

As a bidder, wouldn't it be nice to know that the seller has had every opportunity to answer your question? This would take some of the quesswork out of knowing whether or not to bid on his auctions. If the seller isn't willing to tell you about the item before the end of the auction, do you want to do business with that person?

We've addressed the issue of privacy. We had hoped that this would be a system whereby you - the users of Auction Arms - would keep Auction Arms the open, honest marketplace we claim it to be. But we didn't properly address the privacy issue, and so we've scaled back that initiative considerably. Now, the seller controls whatever comments the seller would like to be either private or public. When a buyer posts something - by default, it's private. If the seller wants everything private, now the seller can choose to keep everything that way. I hope that satisfies everyone's issues with privacy.

I've also heard a lot of complaints about ease of use. I think the primary thing that will alleviate that problem is a new interface that allows sellers to see all comments, and manage responses on a single page - instead having to visit each auction in question. I'm sure people will have comments about how to improve this new tool, and I'm happy to hear them.

Again, this was never meant to make everyone's use of Auction Arms more difficult. I apologize that I didn't make that clearer. But with your patience and a little help, this will solve quite a few problems that we as a company - and you, our users - have had to deal with. Thanks for your patience while we work this out.

Manny DelaCruz
CEO/AuctionArms.com, Inc.

Former Seller: AIC(120-0-0) Post#61 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 18:14:14
AIC Manny; what did you delete my post for? Are you was scared that someone might see what I had to say and follow my lead?

Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo(3-0-0) Post#62 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 18:27:04
AuctionArmsCeo My apologies, AIC. But your post was in direct violation of our forum rule number two regarding personal information. Rule number two states:

2) No personal information... No phone numbers, real names, addresses, email addresses, etc. The reason we have this rule is because there are unscrupulous types out there that monitor forums for the purpose of trying to steal people's identities.

This rule not only applies in the Forums, but in the auctions themselves. I'm happy to listen to people's complaints about what they don't like, and we'll always try to address their issues with fixes or the modification of policy. But breaking our rules is not the way to get positive attention. Please don't post personal data. Thanks.
-manny

Former Seller: AIC(120-0-0) Post#63 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 18:27:16
AIC Oh, I always have keep every communication on every auction I bid on or list for sale until 2 weeks after the sale has been completed to every ones satisfied. I even keep all the questions from nonwinning bidders until the auctions close. I keep all the email I receive from sellers I ask questions of until I feel its ok to delete them sometimes that is months. I have this little folder called "auctions" that is save them in. So that seem like the "he said/she said" don't hurt me at all.

Former Seller: AIC(120-0-0) Post#64 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 18:30:58
AIC But I didn't post any personal info just company info. No one could steel my info from what was there and if doing so gets me kicked off I can always use the account over at the green gun site.

Former Seller: AIC(120-0-0) Post#65 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 18:34:57
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Buyer: sixbladeknife(0-0-0) Post#66 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 18:38:15
(no avatar) "No personal information... No phone numbers, real names, addresses, email addresses, etc. The reason we have this rule is because there are unscrupulous types out there that monitor forums for the purpose of trying to steal people's identities."

"This rule not only applies in the Forums, but in the auctions themselves...."

One only need look at the "penny auctions" to find lots of sellers who include their phone number, email address, etc. in the text of their auction.

Former Seller: Petesguns(210-0-0) Post#67 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 18:38:53
Petesguns I still don't know exactly why you are trying to do this change. Yes, I realize what you SAY are the reasons, but this seems all to much like a liberal's reaction to a situation.........trying to protect us from ourselves. I, for one, do not want, or need, protection from myself. I have ALWAYS tried to be upfront with EVERY transaction, and liked it the way it was. You, as AA, have to trust those that have made this site what it is. While I am a relative newcomer, I feel I have at least contributed my small part in making this site a responsible place. Please consider the responses you have recieved and weigh what you may POTENTIALLY lose in business to what you may be able to PREVENT from happening with off-line sales, and I think even a third grader will see the down side to this system. If and when you come up with a system that you think will work, I highly recommend that you run it by your members first, before blindsiding us with it. Until then please put it back the way it was or you WILL lose in the big picture. Respectfully, Tom @ Petesguns

Former Seller: AIC(120-0-0) Post#68 - Posted: 08/10/2006 at 19:03:10
AIC The above missing post is included in this one.

It seams like I remembering saving your butt one time Manny. It was back when you had the software set up so anyone could edit anyone else's auction anytime they wanted and you didn't even know it and good ol' AIC showed you how in person. So you spent the next hour writing code to fix your 4+ year long goofup.

Yeah guys it true, for many years anyone at any time they wanted could have lowered the reserve on any reserve to what every they wanted. They could have closed any auction at any time or any thing else an auction owner could do. This realy took place, and it was not until January 20th of 2004 give or take a few days untill it got fixed.

I was fairly new to AA at the time (less than a year). I didn't know any of the AA staff yet. when I found the glitch in the sight and sent an email to AA never heard a word. So I went fo GB and opened an account and made sure my auctions couldn't be edited by others, over there. January came along and I droped by AA both at the Shot Show and told AA Bob about there glitch. He said; "no" I said; Yeah. AA bob tried it and found it was true, we showed Manny and he turned a pale white. Jumped on his laptop and comenced to writing code untill it was fixed.

So Manny are you going to handcuff us to your California way of doing auctions? What is next GunPal, where we send all our guns through you and you freeze any of them you like and call it protecting "us from our selfs"?

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