Pete`s guns, you`re right that the SELLER is not "raping" us. However, with a ghost bidder he can up the price every 10 minutes. If the other bidder bites, he sells it for more. If not, no sale to the deadbeat ghost bidder. With a timed auction you get every buyers ( including snipers ) best bid.

Qdog-What seller,in his right mind, is going to have a shill(ghost) bidder bid during the 10mins in order to raise a bid-if the shill wins the auction the item is tied up for two weeks-man you guys are grasping at straws.

If AA catches,which occasionally they may do, a shill bidder they ban him for life.So what seller, who sells regularly here ,is going to take that chance for a few measly bucks????

Hart not all of them are what you refer to as "in their right mind" There has been two auctions I was bidding on that I suspected had shills in them--both had names that seemed rather strangely to refer back to the seller and suddenly popped up while I was bidding but not as I would expect a sniper but I let it pass---now I make no guaratees they were such but as I said I suspected such and yes there are some that are unethical enough to do so. Granted the vast majority of the sellers here are great guys but it does open things up to more of the same just a touch too. But we have had the debates about the pros and cons of the new rule and no one is going to change anyones mind on it so I shall just say I respect your point of view and your right to it while I do not hold with it and I will not insult you or berate you because you don't deserve it,  I just differ

BNPHunter - Nice post. You seem to be a gentleman to be admired for your attitude.

Bubba J

whodo you think the goast bidders are. well then i rest my case.

there was a time back whrn you could bid on items here on aa and have fun doing it. but now i gather it is an uproar  tring to out bid the company.    GOAST BIDDERS    I HAD FUN THE OLD WAY BIDDING THE LAST FEW SECONDS NOW COME ON ALL YALL DID TOO

Bubba I am just another guy is all and I don't pretend to be more--my mother when she was alive whapped me when I did not get over myself and slowly I tried to learn because it hurt not to.

I have been wrong and I have been right and I have changed my mind and I have seen others do all of the same thing is all and there is an old saying "this too shall pass" well if the site fails then we find another way to do our business and it is theirs to do with as they see fit. We voiced our concerns and I hope they (Manny and Co) listened and will think about things if not then we never stood a chance to begin with. So I move on this stuff gets old going over it time and again. You made a number of good points that I wasn't hitting and for that I thank you. The others have their view and there was a time when those rights had to be bought with blood. So I don't want them wasted or plowed under just because I don't share them. In the end we will all manage,  if it is here good if not then we will survive just the same no matter where it is. I just like it here and the folks here so that matters more.

And Bubba I thank you for the kind words--you ain't no slouch either my friend

Ps there are things worse then Ghost bidders too and most of them are in office too mainly in DC

BNPHunter - I thank you for your kind words as well. I also believe that what will happen will happen regardless of the screams of the masses. I to feel as if this horse has passed on so I'll be using my time, thoughts and efforts to get back to selling the last group of consignment items which came in last week.

As a whole the people here are a great bunch of guys. I have met a few and have had phone conversations with several more. The spirit of being a "family" is extremely strong here, much, much more than on other sites. Take care my friend and I may see you on the other side. My user name there is Foxfire Rod and Gun.

Bubba J

Guys, shill bidders DO crop up from time to time,  When discovered all related accounts are cancelled for life.  Period.  If you strongly suspect a shill bidder, please send a note to TheHeat@auctionarms.com for research.