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| Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo (6-0-0) (Last 10 Posts) | Posted: 02/20/2009 at 17:47:30 |
| Total Posts: 87 |
Thread Title: "Additional Security Measures"
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| Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo (6-0-0) (Last 10 Posts) | Posted: 02/20/2009 at 17:47:30 |
| Total Posts: 87 |
Thread Title: "Additional Security Measures"
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| Former Seller: Petesguns(993-0-0) | Post#31 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 17:27:03 |
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BOB, thanks for the comments, but you have completely failed to get the gist of my suggestion of the credit card sign up idea. It is NOT to reduce the email scammers, but is meant to attack the number of newly signed up members who use bogus info such as non existent names, addresses and phone numbers to access the site simply to mess with auctions by deadbeating. Other sites use the credit card charge to investigate the validity of holders of free email accounts such as Hotmail, Google, Yahoo, etc, and do so to good advantage, I am sure, with no reduction in membership numbers. It COULD also be refunded as I suggested after validation was achieved. As I am sure you know, ANYONE can sign up as a member here, with ANY name they want, even Elmer Fudd. It is the DEADBEAT issue this suggestion was meant to fight, not email scammers. I do not know what deadbeat percentages are on other sites, but for me, it runs here at about 3.5% of all sales ending in a deadbeat. I can understand your decision not to tell members they have to change a name or email. However, you could fight this by disallowing any NEW signups to use the email address prefix as their user name. I just recently had a scammer attempt to sell one of my items to a member by the email scam. Fortunately, the person being scammed was aware of the issue, and didn't fall for it. I also, must respectfully disagree with you on the "need" for uninvolved people to see this info, but that is what makes this country great, at least for now; the right to agree to disagree. |
| Former Seller: ELDORADO 1(235-0-0) | Post#32 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 17:57:18 |
| (no avatar) | How about this. All new members must call the catherder before their account is activated. In the conversation if it sounds like they are from Nigeria then Bob wacks them....and if they sound legit then Bob has on his caller I.D. a number to compare with the registered number. I have to throw my vote with the one's that don't like not seeing the bidders and yes it does remind me of EvilBay! |
| Former Seller: babun(97-1-0) | Post#33 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 18:33:53 |
| (no avatar) | I am a new seller here, and have read all the posts, pro and con, I must add my name to the short list that likes the new feature. Before I explain why, I must ask all posters to temporary forget that ebay is anti-gun. They are the biggest and the most respected market place for internet sales. This hiding of names has worked for them. Please remember this is a business for the folks at AA. And any business must watch and sometimes copy what works in the market place. I have sold and bought on ebay for over 12 years with over 3000 feedbacks, before getting out of that end of my business. I hope AA grows and grows, but to do that it must protect the buyers first. Even if at a small inconvenience to the sellers. The key to any internet sales business is get as many buyers and bidders as possible, this will raise prices that the sellers end up getting, and will therefore have more sellers looking to join in. You don't need 135 sellers looking to sell the same Model 500 Mossberg, but you sure want to have 135 bidders looking to buy a mod 500 mossberg. JMHO bob |
| Former Seller: gov2mod(2170-0-0) | Post#34 - Posted: 02/25/2009 at 19:07:19 |
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The reason anything (hiding user names, you can only view items for 30 days, no guns parts, etc.) works on Ebay is because they make up their own rules as they go, this is how it's going to be, and if you don't like it then tough for you, go somewhere else. They have terrible customer service, you can't hardly ever contact a live human to talk to, or at least one that speaks fluent English. I don't like the new "hidden" user names but what am I going to do about it? I'm staying right here, it's still much better than Ebay or that "other" gun site. |
| Former Seller: babun(97-1-0) | Post#35 - Posted: 02/26/2009 at 02:41:46 |
| (no avatar) | Just a second thought about the hidden bidder list.. I think you will find that it will lead to higher and more bids for you the sellers"s. And isn't that what you want, more money for your items. That is what happened on ebay and at all the many live auctions I attend. If you go to a live auction, you will see many bidders that are very discreet with their bidding motions. bob |
| Buyer: ODOTER(76-0-1) | Post#36 - Posted: 02/26/2009 at 04:02:07 |
| (no avatar) | I like to see the names of all bidders during and after the auction. It gives me some valuable information. The Blue Book of Gun Values is only a guideline with a ballpark figure based upon condition of the gun. When I see who I bid against and notice that they have less than 10 successful bids, I at least consider the possibility that they are not a gun collector and may not know the true value of the gun. They may be bidding whatever it takes to get that gun. Certainly, that assumption could be wrong, but at the same time I look to see who else was bidding. If it includes bidders with a high success rate and they fell out early in the bidding, then I figure the gun value has likely been exceeded. I also go back to "My Close Bids" and "My Watchlist-Closed" and perform this same evaluation. When I cannot lookup the bidders, I lose this information. That my cause me to be less willing to advance a bid on a later auction on a similar gun. |
| Former Seller: Joes Custom Guns(377-2-2) | Post#37 - Posted: 02/26/2009 at 04:44:04 |
| (no avatar) | ODOTER...I have already fightered out how to beat the new ststem,Maybe you need to do your homework |
| Former Seller: Bubba J(65-0-0) | Post#38 - Posted: 02/26/2009 at 08:05:20 |
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I can understand the reasoning behind this move in the name of better security by AA. However, I personally do not like or care for it. I feel that if the sellers/buyers don't have enough sense to follow AA's recommendations regarding not using your e-mail name as your screen name, then those who do enable their own risk factor and should not even consider holding AA accountable in any shape, form, or fashion. It's like a speed limit sign or any other law/ordinance. Obey the limits/rules or risk receiving an opportinity to make a contribution to the local government either with ones' money or time. So what if it ticks a few off that they have to make a small change. If that is all the excuse they need to jump ship from AA then so be it. More will take their places and in greater numbers. This will be greatly helped by more advertising being available at a member level. I would not think that AA's budget is on a razors' edge that the temporarily loss of a few sellers/buyers would make much of a difference and create price increases for us. JMVHO FR&G |
| Former Seller: babun(97-1-0) | Post#39 - Posted: 02/26/2009 at 14:33:55 |
| (no avatar) | Now, Now, JOES, did you learn the trick from ebay??? Don't tell everyone!!!!bob |
| Former Seller: AIC(207-0-0) | Post#40 - Posted: 02/26/2009 at 17:00:04 |
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Bob, Manny and Mike, the new scam prevention you installed has, I believe handicapped your sellers far more than it has done anything to stop anyone who wants to run a scam. It looks like a step down the ebay road. I hope you will reconsider and find a way to accomplish what you want to do with out hurting your good AA members who have given much help in policing AA making it the safest and best on the Internet to buy and sell guns. |
