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| Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo (6-0-0) (Last 10 Posts) | Posted: 02/20/2009 at 17:47:30 |
| Total Posts: 87 |
Thread Title: "Additional Security Measures"
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| Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo (6-0-0) (Last 10 Posts) | Posted: 02/20/2009 at 17:47:30 |
| Total Posts: 87 |
Thread Title: "Additional Security Measures"
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| Former Seller: ELDORADO 1(235-0-0) | Post#68 - Posted: 03/12/2009 at 06:31:54 |
| (no avatar) | Very well said Foxfire. And to just add to your analasyst, might I add that it all too much resembles the tactic used to protect the few, where we all have to suffer the concequences based on protecting the ignorant minority. I for one have had enough of this mentality that we have to pass laws (or change rules) because of the victims that have opened the door themselves to be preyed upon. As far as AA is concerned, when they tell us they HAD to make the change to PROTECT US!!.....Yeah Right! And Rattler if you really mean that you wish the forums were more like they used to be....how about taking a step to revive them by gittin ur butt back to the story! Ur right.....things here have changed, and ur one of the reasons it has. I used to come here on days that I didn't have to, just to catch up on the Brown Story, but since you stopped,,,,why bother!! And that is becoming the train of thought of many here lately. I remember thinking that you were one of the biggest assets that AA had in their membership, and I still respect ur input, but I now see this change as a lack of loyality on ur part to the ones that followed you around for years. True things move on, and we have to learn to adapt, but it sure yanks me the wrong way when it is for OUR protection because of the minority. And Bob.....have you noticed any of the SEVERAL times that trapper has been trying to contact you to get his nickname changed SO HE CAN BE PROTECTED! If this is such a BIG important issue....it seems to me that we would have the ability to change that without having congressional approval. Well....I am going to quit ranting now cause it's not good for my blood pressure. In closing....aw....nevermind...don't make no difference anyway. |
| Former Seller: gov2mod(2196-0-0) | Post#69 - Posted: 03/12/2009 at 07:25:37 |
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ELDORADO 1, it reminds me of what the insurance companies now do. My wife and I both drive full size Bronco's. It used to be we would have had cheaper insurance because we were riding in large safe vehicles. But, noooo! Now we pay more because if someone runs into us, driving their little, dinky, not very safe vehicle, they stand more of a chance to be injured because they ran into a large safe vehicle. So who gets penalized, the ones driving the smaller vehicles that they are more likely to sustain injuries when in an accident, or the ones driving large safe vehicles that a much less likely to be injured? Us, of course, it makes no sense what so ever. |
| Seller: sparky(14-0-2) | Post#70 - Posted: 03/12/2009 at 14:17:21 |
| Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo(7-0-0) | Post#71 - Posted: 03/12/2009 at 14:18:15 |
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Just so everybody understands what is going on:
The security measure only applies to closed auctions. This does not apply to open auctions. Everything is still visible in open auctions, and will likely stay that way. If you are a seller, and you're logged in, you can see everything related to your auctions. Buyer and all bids. Open and closed auctions. This wasn't an attempt by big brother to slowly erode your freedoms. This is a legitimate attempt to stop those who bear us ill will from being able to prevent us from having a marketplace that benefits everyone. There are con-artists out there who have been filling the internet with emails that are indistinguishable from our own, and a few of our buyers have been taken for a ride. In short, they've been somewhat successful in jamming our signals. This is our attempt to jam theirs. -manny |
| Former Seller: Bubba J(65-0-0) | Post#72 - Posted: 03/12/2009 at 14:53:25 |
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Manny: Why don't you seriously consider item #2 in my Post #66. How much easier and user friendly can it be? I doubt if there would be many, if any, who would complain about this requirement. Many other sites require this simple step. WHY NOT AUCTION ARMS???? FR&G |
| Former Seller: Hagrid(34-0-0) | Post#73 - Posted: 03/12/2009 at 17:08:36 |
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Manny, I call attention to the last sentence of your thread."Let me know what you think". As I read the responses, I see that most all of us have let you know what we think. The question is, are our suggestions to be dismissed? Do you really want to know what we think?. From my e-mails and from the responses I find here, I think most of us do not like the idea. I realize this is your buisness and not a democracy and you certainly have the right to run it as you se fit. But requiring a nickname, different from your e-mail, makes enough sense that JCG's did it over a year ago. I have changed mine and will change it again if I get the return phone call your message promised. trapper |
| Former Seller: WILLIE TA(1461-0-1) | Post#74 - Posted: 03/12/2009 at 18:36:33 |
| Former Seller: WILLIE TA(1461-0-1) | Post#75 - Posted: 03/12/2009 at 19:40:59 |
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DID NOT SAY ANYTHING BAD.. WHY WAS IT REMOVED? AND BY WHO? GUESS WE CAN'T TALK ON FORUMS SO E MAIL WILL GO BETEWEEN SELLERS WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT TO CENSOR IT. |
| Buyer: ODOTER(77-0-1) | Post#76 - Posted: 03/13/2009 at 05:17:16 |
| (no avatar) | Manny: With all due respect, I don't believe you are giving the scammers much credit. Certainly, you have heard that some of the finest minds in this world belong to the criminals. Without calling myself a criminal, I can use your present system and still know who the second bidder is as long as I placed a bid earleir in the auction or put the item on my watch list. Certainly, you are aware of that. As long as a scammer has done that, he can see the so called "hidden bidders" list once the auction has closed. It doesn't take much effort to decipher the scond bidder's name from that list if the second bidder didn't come in at the last second. Even if he did and his nickname wasn't shown earlier, you can take a pretty good guess if you watch the site very much. So, your method is not foolproof, nor is the method going to produce a long term solution to the recognized problem. AA just made the scam a little more cumbersome, but if the scammer can still see enough profit in it, and I am sure he can, he will just snicker a little and add the extra effort. He just has to target his prey beforehand. Certainly, he is going to take some wild shots, but it's like the drunk going to everyone woman in the bar trying to proposition them. He's going to get his face slapped, but sooner or later, he is going to get lucky. Change the nicknames so they do not match the owner's email. It's just too simple to ignore. I'm thinking AA doesn't want to do this because of all the work to move the feedback to the new nicknames. Could that be true? |
| Thread Admin: AuctionArmsCeo(7-0-0) | Post#77 - Posted: 03/13/2009 at 12:52:32 |
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Fully a third of our registered user base use the first part of their email address as their nickname. I personally do it all the time, just because it's hard enough remembering all the passwords I have to remember - I don't think I would survive having to remember all those IDs. Our reluctance to adopt such a policy has nothing to do with the technical difficulty (it's actually very easy) - it has everything to do with inconveniencing folks. That being said, we've come up with another idea that might sit better with everyone. Instead of hiding IDs from everyone except the participants, we could hide the entire closed auction - unless you're logged in, in which case you can see everything. By making everyone have an account at Auction Arms in order to look at closed auctions, that'll make any potential scammers have to go through another layer of security that they currently aren't required to jump through. But it won't keep regular users from seeing activity. This also seems to make sense for the Bid History of open auctions, too. Comments?
And Herb, I don't know why Bob removed your post, but I'll check. |