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|Seller: Sportsmanssupply(5733-0-4)||Post#11 - Posted: 07/16/2009 at 14:09:16|
|(no avatar)||At one time back in 2004 it was possible to email the 2nd highest bidder. However its usually a week or more before you realize you have a deadbeat. In my experience the 2nd high bidder has bought something elsewhere with his funds. I'm not meaning to be argumentative but the current notification of the 2nd high bidder by AA seemed to be a compromise that most people found sufficient at the time. I found I got a higher bid the 2nd time around thus didn't want the haggle. This was just my opinion based on my experience.|
|Seller: jessmoon(102-0-0)||Post#12 - Posted: 07/16/2009 at 17:36:15|
|Grant, You have a good point in that opinion.
My experience with many auction sales on another non gun related sight is the same. The second chance offer almost never works and is usually used too late after the auction ends. The second chance potential buyer just figures he will get a lower price the second time around as he and the high bidder determined the top price, other bidders backed out at lower bids. I have always had better luck just relisting and letting the auction run its course. JMHO
|Seller: Bubba J(70-0-0)||Post#13 - Posted: 07/16/2009 at 19:46:06|
|jessmoon: To each his own, however, why not have this as an option for those who would like to use it?
Grant: I'm not trying to be argumentative either. I just enjoy learning why & how different people feel differently and have different opinions about such things as we are discussing. If one thinks about it, to determine if a bidder is a deadbeat or not normally takes at least a week to ten days. I just feel that a second chance system should be offered by AA for those who may wish to use it. I'm not suggesting that all must use it, just an option offered to all who may choose to either use or pass by.
|Seller: jessmoon(102-0-0)||Post#14 - Posted: 07/16/2009 at 20:16:25|
|FR&G, Yes to each his own. Everyone has different needs and reasons. If there are ways to work it out then those options should be explored. If not then we live by what currently exists and works for us.|
|Buyer: Phil38(5-0-0)||Post#15 - Posted: 07/16/2009 at 22:39:49|
|(no avatar)||Hmmmm, Lock step?|
|Seller: Sportsmanssupply(5738-0-4)||Post#16 - Posted: 07/17/2009 at 05:11:49|
|(no avatar)||Phil I'm confused on the lock step comment?
FFR&G and I have agreed that we have differing logical opinions. This subject was discussed back in 2004 vehemently with some sellers threatening a boycott if something wasn't done. The current policy was a compromise after much discussion. It is a better policy than on any other site. It doesn't keep everyone happy but its not bad. I tried this system and it works for me. The price I receive is my #1 priority. Relisting gets me a higher price. Getting less money but a bird in the hand offer seems better for others who feel as strongly as I do. At the time I didn't like the policy but I find it meets my needs.
Jessmoon merely had to choose an opinion to side with. If he chose the other option does that make him lockstep there? Thank You for you input. AS FFRG states we all learn from others.
|Seller: jessmoon(102-0-0)||Post#17 - Posted: 07/17/2009 at 05:44:02|
|Its just my opinion in post #12 that what I said works better for me and I will continue to do it that way. If FR&G thinks he has a better way by all means try to figure out what would work for him and do it. Things continually change and we change with them. Today what works for some will be different tomorrow for others. You find out your best method and go with it, those are the options. Again JMHO|
|Buyer: Phil38(5-0-0)||Post#18 - Posted: 07/17/2009 at 11:03:09|
|(no avatar)||It's very hard to put any kind of emotion in the printed word without some interpretation on the readers part and what I read may be askew of the real meaning and I am SURE what I write is hard for most to get my meaning. If a picture paints a thousand words I think my pallet has quite a few dry spots. With this being a medium of blind trust of an equitable outcome for both parties sometimes you may kick someone in the dark just to find out where they are. If they yell "Hey! That's ME" or if they just kick you back either way you have just found out a little more about them without actually seeing them. Sometimes a provocative statement may be to elicit a response but for me it's just usually "SARCASM!"|
|Seller: jessmoon(102-0-0)||Post#19 - Posted: 07/17/2009 at 11:20:50|
|Hey Phil38, not to worry you are still on my Christmas list, LOL|
|Seller: Bubba J(70-0-0)||Post#20 - Posted: 07/17/2009 at 16:48:27|
|jessmoon: The real point of my comments regarding a second chance offer system was to bring to the surface the ideas and benefits of having this resource available to the sellers who would possibly choose to use it in order to possibly to improve their sales as a result of the actions of deadbeat bidders and to eliminate the chore of re-listing the item(s). In no manner was I inferring that anyone who opposed the idea, or thought it would not meet their needs, be forced or coerced into using it.
I happen to be an individual who places a tremendous amount of emphasis on having the ability to make choices in life, both personal and business. While in a top leadership position within the work force at the company which I retired from in 2005, after 38 years of service, I had the opportunity to help structure safety procedures, programs and activities that impacted the employees who actually performed the work associated with producing our finished products. The one very important thing that I learned was that when choices were offered, and the employees given “ownership” in their every day work activities, and were not dictated too, attitudes, morale and productivity increased.
Example: A particular troublesome procedure dealing with equipment lock out – tag out was completely rewritten by the team on their own, without management micro-managing it, and was received so well at our location it was adopted at the corporate level and implemented at all of our facilities in the USA. The ability to choose the major components was the largest facilitator of the teams success in completing this task.
With this being said, and only wishing to clear the air a bit on the subject of having a second chance offer system, and not become argumentative in the process, all that I am suggesting is that another choice to offset the actions of deadbeat bidders be offered to those who choose to use it. If you have another method of dealing with this growing problem, and it is working and meeting your individual business needs, great, continue on your way and you will not be impacted by this additional choice. If not, you may wish to give it a try. If it is successful in offsetting the effects mentioned above, great, continue using it as long as you wish without impacting anyone or anything else. If it doesn’t provide or meet your needs, discontinue using it. But in all fairness, at least the opportunity to use it should be made available for those who do not wish to re-list items and can come to agreement on price between both buyer and seller. Remember that in a system such as this, both would be required to agree on the last bid amount before the dead beat bid. If not, all bets off, no harm – no foul.
The operative word here is CHOICE. Consider it as another item added to the menu of your favorite restaurant. No one will force you to try it, however, it will be there in case you would decide too. That way you, or your dinner guest, will not have to kick someone under the table to see if they are there.
Grant: Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions on this matter. Discussions and opinion sharing is what makes these forums enjoyable without any of the childish bickering and name calling. Yes, we can agree to disagree, in the manner of gentleman.