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|Former Seller: icdux1(32-0-1)||Post#11 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 07:18:51|
|(no avatar)||original poster, i would suggest that you run a criminal b/ground search on your name and social.some one has stolen your identity.i have had simular problems. mine will pass nics IF i include my social but always fails when run without it. good luck. dux|
|Seller: AA-bob(0-0-0)||Post#12 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 12:46:42|
baylorlawless , just a note about the three day inspection period...are you saying your FFL will not allow you to inspect the item before you do the transfer???
As I understand it your FFL has to put the item on his books by close of business the day it comes in, but he can transfer it back off his books if he returns it to the sender without having to incur a NICS or transfer charges.
Of course I'd feel morally obligated to make the handling of this sort of thing worth his time, but that is something you should work out in advance with your FFL
NICS check times should have nothing to do with initial inspection and determination as to whether you want the gun and complete the transfer or not. If your FFL won't allow you to inspect the item prior to transfer, or return it to sender without transferring it...My suggestion...find an FFL who will. 'Course you are in Texas, so that may explain a lot! LOL! Boomer Sooner!
FFL holders, am I missing something here?
|Seller: Sportsmanssupply(780-0-1)||Post#13 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 13:07:15|
|(no avatar)||Bob not at all.You should be able to look the gun all over prior to the NICS check.The 3 day inspection excludes test firing or disassembly.If you don't want it any dealer could return it for you without it ever being transfered.|
|Former Seller: Yone(93-1-0)||Post#14 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 14:49:18|
|(no avatar)||AA bob--The 3 day inspection period has a huge flaw. Most sellers it seems do not test fire the used guns. If we test fire the gun when it arrives we have now broke the rules. Why do you allow sellers to sell guns that do not function and we as buyers are expected to pay the shipping both ways when we return a bad gun. I absolutely feel like AA should change there return policy to force sellers to pay shipping when a bad gun is returned. And by the way there Sportsman Supply, How do you know you want to keep the gun until you find out if it shoots. Tks|
|Former Seller: Coinutz(10-0-0)||Post#15 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 15:06:30|
|(no avatar)||It was lawyers who put those laws on the books and now a lawyer who complains about them. Sorry but there is just a touch of ya reap what ya sew story in that =o) Im all for a federal good guy card that would preclude those waiting periods. I mean they are testing that exact thing for airline passengers. I do believe we have all seen that an airplane can do far more damage than ANY person with ANY gun. GO AUCTION ARMS !!! GO NRA !!!|
|Seller: AA-bob(0-0-0)||Post#16 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 16:20:17|
Guys, guys, guys...I've posted on this before, but probably time for a redeux.
First of all our Terms and Conditions are the minimum requirements and are meant to provide a minimum of protection for both parties.
I mean after all consider your self the seller.
What would you do if you sold a rifle to some guy who thinks a reloading manual is only a "guideline" and doesn't apply to him and his 10% overloads...subsequently wrecks the rifle and wants his money back...I don't think so. Or what about the gun crank who decides he need to publish a destructive testing test on your 40-X to see just how many rounds a 3 man team can fire through that .220 Swift in a 3 day period and how far it will extend the bore erosion and then says, oops...3 day return it's coming back...I don't think so. Or what about the self-appointed "Gun Smith" who decides that vise grips and a pipe-wrench really are an appropriate substitution for a barrel/action vise/wrench. Then after he appropriately "disassembles" barrel from the action complains the headspace is "out" and he wants to return it. "Oh, and by the way, you pay shipping both ways"...again I don't think so.
Since the seller has no control over these shenanigans, how can you expect him to assume that risk?
Having said that, self-help is a marvelous thing.
There is nothing to keep you from dropping a note to a seller asking politely. "Have you, will you test fire this item and let me know the results so that I can bid accordingly. If not, may I test fire it with factory ammo for function after receipt and if I find it malfunctions, return it for a refund?" If he says yes, file away a copy of the approval and bid away. If he refuses...maybe you want to look somewhere else? Also, you can ask "has this item been disassembled and can you confirm there is no rust" or "May I dissassemble this item to check for rust after receipt and if found, return it for a refund". You can also ask, "if I return the item, will you pay (all/part) shipping costs".These are perfectly fine questions and completely within the Terms and Conditions of the site. Seller's may always extend their terms beyond our minimums, they can't however retract them. That is why a seller's attempt to use an "As is" is ineffective.
|Former Seller: Yone(93-1-0)||Post#17 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 16:53:59|
|(no avatar)||AA bob--WHO HAS TIME TO SEND EVERY SELLER AN 8 LINE PARAGRAPH ASKING PERMISSION to check out a used gun. This is what a reputable seller should do before putting a gun up for auction. What you said in your post was ridiculous. No one would expect a seller to give a refund on a gun that was abused by a buyer. All I am saying is this. If a seller auctions a gun that does not function, Outright lies in his description or misrepresents in any way he should pay shipping both ways. Tks|
|Seller: Sportsmanssupply(782-0-1)||Post#18 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 17:08:54|
|(no avatar)||Clarence in response to your concern about my comments on the 3 day inspection I was merely advising what the three day inspection is and what it isn't.|
|Seller: AA-bob(0-0-0)||Post#19 - Posted: 06/30/2005 at 18:42:30|
|Yone, sorry if I appear ridiculous in my posts. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.|
|Former Seller: Yone(93-1-0)||Post#20 - Posted: 07/01/2005 at 08:28:55|
|(no avatar)||AA BOB--- Can,t ever get a straight answer out of you. Do you agree or not, when a seller auctions off a bad gun should the seller pay shipping both ways. TKS|