Thread Title: "John Hopkins & Allen Falling Block Shotgun"
Guys I NEED your help
I had a person ask me today to place a value range on a John Hopkins & Allen 12 Ga. shotgun that he told me was a falling block. I went to look at the gun and it is a 12 ga. falling block. I can find no reference material on this gun in a shotgun. The barrel markings are John Hopkins & Allen - Pat. June 28-85 and Oct 2-88. The serial number is 24X. It has a 28 1/2" barrel that appears to have not been cut. Steel front bead, Shotgun butt with steel butt plate but also pistol grip with checkering on the pistol grip and the fore piece. Now the strange part is it contains a saddle ring on the right side of the receiver. Everything appears to be factory original but I would say that the checkering could be non factory and done later. The bore is mint so it has not been fired much and contains no rust. The barrel blue is 90%+.
The person is in his early 70's and told me that the gun belonged to his grandfather who worked for a railroad company out in the west in the late 1800’s. He said that the railroad company gave his grandfather the gun to shoot coyotes when he was working on the train. I can find no other markings on the gun other than what is on the barrel.
What are your thoughts?
there is one small book about these early falling block rifles and shotguns, it is "falling blocks & other single shots from hopkins and allen" by charles carder. it only problem is it is limited in the information. these single shots by H&A deserve more research.
I collect these old shotguns. They are always going up in value. $300-$800 is the range on most decent ones. There is a good sized book on the history of H&A firearms from 1867-1917 by Joseph T. Vorisek. You can get it thru Cornell Publishing or Abbybooks. She sells on this site and others. It has all kinds of info for the Hopkins collector. Greg
These were not just take down guns, they were made for interchangable barrels. I have a 16 gauge with an octagon .38-40 (marked Merwin & Hulbert) barrel. This one has the thumb piece on the take down screw. Each barrel has a forearm attached by a single screw. I have seen a large frame one with a .38-55 barrel, no shotgun barrel with it.
I,too, am an owner of a Hopkins&Allen with interchangeable barrels. Mine is H&A all the way. It has an octagon barrel with forearm attached that says .22R.F. and a two digit number and a 16 ga. shotgun barrel. The shotgun barrel has the same writing (HOPKINS&ALLEN ARMS CO.NORWICH CONN.U.S.A.)The receiver is only marked with the same two digit number where the barrels attach that the barrels have. The 22RF barrel has two adjustable front sights covered with a hood. The receiver has a flip up tang site. It has a checkered butt plate with an ornate symbal "MFG H CO". I really would appreciate any information such as manufacture date and value.
Flayderman lumps all falling block rifle sizes together, value $450 very good condition, $950 excellent condition, but 10% to 30% less for rimfire sizes, and 25% or more added for interchangeable shotgun barrel if numbered to rifle.
Thanks guys for the info. By the way, mine has a takedown-ring on the right side of the receiver. Some confuse these for saddle ring guns, which they are not. But it does give that appearance and looks quite sexy. I've seen pics of this falling block with a take down screw on the bottom, and some comments that the ones with the side ring are scarcer. You see so few that I have no idea if this is true or not. I will try to find some of the written material you guys suggest, and my Thanks to you all. Best regards.
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