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| Buyer: 5thcommjarhead(71-0-0) | Post#1 - Posted: 06/30/2011 at 01:12:39 |
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I'd first ask the seller why he insists on sending the firearm via an FFL. There may be a valid reason, such as it may be a handgun and it's cheaper for an FFL to ship. If he thinks a long gun has to go via an FFL on his end, you need to educate him. Point out to him the BATFE and USPS regulations chapter and verse and hope he heeds it. How does he demand payment? A USPS MO is accepted by most sellers and if I'm dealing with someone I don't know, it's my preferred method of payment because you have some recourse if you've been "had". If he's a legitimate seller, he probably wouldn't mind your posting the auction number so we can opine with more specificity.
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| Seller: WILLIE TA(1695-0-1) | Post#2 - Posted: 06/30/2011 at 04:32:01 |
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MIKE LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE SENDING THROUGH FFL's FOR THE REASON THE RECORDS ARE THERE FOREVER IF THERE SHOULD BE ANY KIND OF PROBLEM. THERE ARE LOTS OF MY PERSONAL GUNS MEANING RIFLES ONLY, THAT I SELL AND COULD JUST HAND THEM OVER TO A PA. RESIDENT AS I HAVE OWNED THEM MORE THAN ONE YEAR. BUT JUST FOR SAFETY SAKE I BOOK IT IN AND DO A TRANSFER FOR FREE SO I DO NOT HAVE TO KEEP PERSONAL RECORDS ALSO. |
| Seller: martypost(50-0-0) | Post#3 - Posted: 09/25/2011 at 14:03:27 |
| (no avatar) | There may be any number of reasons that the seller wants to have an FFL ship for him. The sketchy part is that he is unwilling to divulge the name of the FFL he will be using. Sorry to revive such an old thread, but I am curious how this all played out. |
| Seller: kag1834(453-3-0) | Post#4 - Posted: 09/26/2011 at 06:05:29 |
| (no avatar) | If it walks like a duck |
| Seller: oneoldsap(27-0-0) | Post#5 - Posted: 10/03/2011 at 14:00:58 |
| (no avatar) | Payment goes to the seller , not his FFL ! |
| Seller: Columbia Arms(100-0-1) | Post#6 - Posted: 10/03/2011 at 17:40:36 |
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Yes it does. This looks like a pretty normal transaction for a non FFL sale to me. |
| Seller: pilot07(188-1-0) | Post#7 - Posted: 10/06/2011 at 11:21:38 |
| (no avatar) | This looks like the normal way of selling. The payment wouldn't go to the FFL, it goes to the seller. His using an FFL is not required by law but many people use them for record keeping purposes and the shippers won't accept handguns from a non-FFL. The name of the shipping FFL is irrelevant to you but all FFLs will include a copy of their license in the shipment(after 4 years of doing this I haven't run into any FFLs that don't do this). Your FFL will need to get his FFL a copy of their license prior to the shipment (this is required by law). |
| Seller: Elitist(151-0-0) | Post#8 - Posted: 10/06/2011 at 12:55:08 |
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all FFLs will include a copy of their license in the shipment(after 4 years of doing this I haven't run into any FFLs that don't do this You haven't encountered some of the paranoids I have. I know several in this area who flat-out refuse to send a copy of their FFL to ANYONE. I also know one who has been told by the Jackbooted Thugs that he's is not ALLOWED to send a copy to ANYONE. In point of fact: 1) An FFL holder can legally receive a firearm in interstate commerce from ANYONE, including a Prohibited Person. Transfer agents who insist that a gun has to be sent FROM an FFL are either deceived, ignorant of the law, or have been lied to by their local Jackbooted Thug. No such rule exists or has ever existed in the federal law or regulations. Private parties can with perfect legality ship a non-NFA firearm to an -01 FFL without any intermediary. 2) A transfer agent receiving a firearm does NOT have to have any identification from the seller: only the buyer. He has to enter the seller's name in his bound book but he has no requirement to demand identification documents from anyone except the BUYER. |
| Seller: Hartwell Gun(1384-1-4) | Post#9 - Posted: 10/06/2011 at 14:12:45 |
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2) A transfer agent receiving a firearm does NOT have to have any identification from the seller: only the buyer. He has to enter the seller's name in his bound book but he has no requirement to demand identification documents from anyone except the BUYER. Excuse me but that's Bullsh!tky!!! Putting incorrect in a A&D book could grounds to have your FFL pulled.When any FFL in his right mind buys a firearm over the counter he gets ID,no difference-they both go in the book as a acquisition.What if it is stolen what do we say then "Oh I got it from the nice UPS man".Let's put it this way if i don't get a FFL then their better a copy of a state issued ID.If not it can sit here until one or the other arrives,if they don't like those T&C then they can get someone else to transfer the item. |
| Seller: Elitist(151-0-0) | Post#10 - Posted: 10/06/2011 at 15:07:01 |
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Hartwell, we have been through this many times. I challenge you to find me anywhere in the law or regulations that says a SELLER has to provide ID. You can't because it isn't there. There is only a requirement that the BUYER provide proof identity and residence. NOT the SELLER. Period, end of discussion. |