Fegyvergyar Hungarian Frommer-Stop M.19, 7.65mm 58

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Guns For Sale - Fegyvergyar -- Hungarian Frommer-Stop M.19, 7.65mm 58

BRIEF: Hungarian Frommer-Stop M.19, 7.65mm (32 ACP) 7 rounds.
Copy of Browning 1900 but with the recoil spring above the barrel.
Adopted in 1912 to arm the Honvedseg, or Hungarian element of the Autro-Hungarian Army.
Probably a "take-back" as there are NO IMPORT MARKS.

CONDITION: Fine. bluing 99% (reblued over some rust & pits - very common for this pistol).
Bore clean, shiny a little bit dark (looks more like poor machining than pits) with strong, unusually wide rifling.


REMARKS: Rear grip safety works, does not have a lock to hold the bolt open, dry fires OK but NEEDS a firing pin, available for $15 at Numrich Pts, West Hurley NY or Tom Forrest in Calif.

SERIAL#: 311593

MATCHING: Appears to be (I have not opened this gun).

MARKS: Left of Spring Cover: "Fegyvergyar Budapest Frommer Stop Cal. 7.65 (32)"
Rear of Frame: "311593"
Front left of trigger guard: I think it is "BP", crest, "21"

HISTORY: This is the best one I ever saw.
"I held off buying a Frommer STOP for 20 years, because I couldn't find a nice one. Well, I've come to the conclusion that there aren't any nice ones!
It seems that the leather in the holsters issued to the Hungarian Army for this model, were tanned with salts that just ate things up."
This also explains why most were re-blued

Manufactured from 1912-29. The 1912-1918 ones didn't have an official model number. The 1919-1929 units were designated "19.M"

These guns were really obsolete when they first came out, a copy of the Browning 1900, but with the recoil spring above the barrel (really not a bad idea - puts the barrel lower to the center of gravity).

More info available at

This design first appeared in 1912 and was adopted by the Honvedseg, (NOT 'Honved'), the Hungarian element of the Austro-Hungarian Army.
It's designation was 'Frommer Stop', it had no model number.
The international word 'Stop' meant 'to stop' the target.
During WW1 the Frommer Stop was also sold to Germany, Bulgaria and Turkey.
The designation '19.M' (Model 19) was given after it was adapted 'again' in 1919 by the new independent Hungarian Army.
Official Hungarian documents indicate that this is the correct model designation.
It subsequently became the official service pistol of the Hungarian army, police, gendarmerie and secret police. It remained in military and police hands until 1945, though theoretically replaced by later models.

FEATURES: This gun was locked by rotating the barrel; two studs in the muzzle engage lateral seats cut inside the slide. The return & barrel springs lie inside a separate chamber in the top of the slide.

This well-known pistol is believed to have been designed by Karel Krnka on the basis of the Roth-Steyr 1907.
A conventional full-slide contains the barrel, the components being locked together by two lugs on top of the barrel engaging recesses in the slide. The barrel is held in the frame by a helical lug beneath the breech, which engages a groove in the frame. Slide and barrel move back together for a short distance after the gun fires, drawing the helical lug through the groove in the frame to rotate the barrel through about 20ΓΈ. This disengages the top lugs from the slide and, as they do so, a fourth lug under the barrel strikes a transom in the frame and brings the barrel to a stop. The slide continues moving back, extracting the empty case and cocking the external hammer, then returns to chamber a fresh cartridge from the magazine. Barrel and slide then move forward and the helical lug rotates the barrel back into engagement with the slide.

The magazine, integral in the butt, is loaded by pulling back the slide to open the action, inserting a charger and forcing the cartridges downward.
A quick-release catch allows the contents to be ejected through the open action.

Safeties: (a) A thumb safety somewhat like that on the Colt .45 auto will be found on the left side of the pistol just below the hammer. Turning this up into its notch in the slide makes the pistol safe.
(b) An automatic disconnector on the right side of the pistol under the slide prevents this pistol from being fired until the action is wholly closed.

CLIP/MAG: marked ""EU" in an oval, a bit rough,probably original BUT the ""tab"" on the bottom appears to project further forward than that in the TIEOH drawing.

GRIPS: Original & typical, worn, not sharp, marked ""FG""? (stylized).

SIZE: 165mm oal, 98mm barrel, 620 gm.

BRIEF: Hungarian Frommer-Stop M.19, 7.65mm (32 ACP) 7 rounds. Copy of Browning 1900 but with the recoil spring above the barrel. Adopted in 1912 to arm the H

Payment and Shipping Instructions:

Can be purchased on a Curio & Relic FFL03 (C&R).
If you do not have a Federal License, I can ship to a dealer of your choice.
Be certain this Pistol is Legal for you to own before bidding on it.
Buyer must furnish a signed copy of an FFL01 or C&R License (FFL03).

WASHINGTON DC, NJ & CANADA: Due to their Gun Laws I will not sell or ship there.
CHICAGO or COOK COUNTY: ....... Due to their Gun Laws I will not sell or ship there.
IL: .......... Residents must also supply a copy of their FOID card before I ship.
CA & NY: Even if you have a C&R it must be shipped to an FFL01 dealer.

Three days from the date the item is received. Receiver pays shipping cost & auction fees.

I will accept Money Orders (preferably USPS) or Cashier Checks (wait till it clears).
I will ship via USPS Priority Mail (INSURED up to USPS Max) for $20.

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