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E. Remington & Sons 1858 (1861) New Model Army, Belgian Cartridge Converted, Octagonal 8” 5-Shot SA Single Action Pistol, MFD 1863 Antique



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WINNER: D*****t
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Auction: 14419104

Manufacturer:   Remington
NRA Grade:
Fair
Auction Type:
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Current High Bidder:
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History:
41 Bids ($0.01 starting bid)
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Bid Increment:
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Auction Start:
(March 12, 2017 17:02:00 PT)
Auction Ended:
(March 26, 2017 17:09:40 PT)

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Guns For Sale - E. Remington & Sons 1858 (1861) New Model Army, Belgian Cartridge Converted, Octagonal 8” -- 5-Shot SA Single Action Pistol, MFD 1863 Antique

LSB#: 161128LV65

Make: E. Remington & Sons

Model: These are known as the “Model 1858”, but production did not begin until 1861.

Serial Number: 21994

Year of Manufacture: Approximately 1863, the Liege proof on the cylinder gives a conversion date range of 1873 to 1895.

Caliber: .45 Centerfire, Black Powder

Action Type: 5-Shot, Single Action, Cylinder Loaded, Cartridge Converted Revolver

Markings: The underside of the barrel, left of the grip frame and trigger guard hook have matching serial numbers. There is a "*/A" Belgian mark on the right of the frame, there is a "6" on the right of the grip frame, seen again on the front of the cylinder, left of the trigger guard bow and on the left of the frame. The cylinder also has a Belgian "E/LG/*" in oval.

Barrel Length: 8", Octagonal ; THE BARREL IS LOOSE, DO NOT SHOOT THIS PISTOL.

Sights / Optics: The front sight is a triangular blade, dovetailed onto the barrel. The rear sight is a “V” channel on top of the frame.

Stock Configuration & Condition: The grips are beautiful checkered hardwood with some darker grain elements. The escutcheons are brass and have gathered natural verdigris, free to clean by the new owner, but to preserve their state, we shied away. There is some gap in a flush fit to the grip straps, there are no major damages, there are areas of rubbing and compression, in about Good overall condition.

Type of Finish: The revolver was originally blued with a case colored hammer.

Finish Originality: The surfaces were removed of their finish and left in the white.

Bore Condition: The bore is dark with spots of pitting, the rifling is worn but still defined.

Overall Condition: This handgun retains about 0% of its metal finish. The surfaces have heavy grinding marks and some deeper erosion. There are spots of solid erosion on the loading lever, center pin and barrel. Loss in line definition are seen throughout. Please see our pictures. The cylinder has a brighter sheen than the other surfaces, with some portions of removed metal. The screw heads have wide slots, with tooling. There is heavy play in the action, the barrel is loose and so it the loading lever barb. Overall, this handgun rates in about Poor to Fair condition.

Mechanics: The cylinder timing is off, the hammer is heavy and the trigger pull has creep. There is wide play in all 5 chambers. The pistol was converted sometime in the 1870's to 90's, there are no marks to indicate who had done this work, we do not recommend firing this pistol. We did not fire this handgun. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements.

Box, Paperwork & Accessories: None.

Our Assessment: From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_1858 “The Remington is a single-action, six-shot, percussion revolver produced by E. Remington & Sons, Ilion, N.Y., based on theFordyce Beals patent of September 14, 1858 (Patent 21,478).[2] The Remington Army revolver is large-framed, in .44 caliber, with an 8 inch barrel length. The Remington Navy revolver is slightly smaller framed than the Army, and in .36 caliber with an 7.375 inch [Beals Navy 7.5 inch] barrel length. There were three progressive models made; the Remington-Beals Army & Navy (1860–1862), the 1861 Army & Navy (1862–1863), and the New Model Army & Navy (1863–1875).[3]The three models are nearly identical in size and appearance. Subtle but noticeable differences in hammers, loading levers, and cylinders help identify each model. The 1861 Remington actually transitioned into New Model appearance by late 1862, slowly transforming throughout 1862, due to continual improvement suggestions from the U. S. Ordnance Department.[3][4] Remington percussion revolvers are very accurate and capable of considerable power with muzzle velocities in the range of 550 to 1286+ feet-per-second, depending upon the charge loaded by the shooter. Combustible cartridge velocities averaged from 700 to 900 feet per second (270 m/s), depending on powder quality, charge and conical bullet weight. Combustibles were usually loaded with a special high performance sporting grade black powder, using the minimum charge required for a specified impact level, usually determined by pine penetration tests. The special powder and minimal charge reduced black powder fouling, allowing revolvers to be fired as much as possible before cleaning was necessary.[5][6]” This revolver was made in 1863, during the American Civil War. It has Belgian proof marks that give a conversion rage in the 1870's to 90's, giving some intrigue as to who had opted for a huge heavy revolver all the way over in Liege. The old checkered grip panels look really nice, the surfaces were cleaned so perhaps this is a restoration project that is worthy of attention. If only it could talk! Please see our pictures and good luck.

CA Legal or CA Private Party Transferable: This antique handgun can be sold in California.


LSB#: 161128LV65 Make: E. Remington & Sons Model: These are known as the “Model 1858”, but production did not begin until 1861. Serial Number: 21994 Year of

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