Deutsche Werke Ortgies .32 ACP Semi-Auto Pocket Pistol - C&R OK

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Auction: 12251626

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Auction Start:
(August 8, 2013 18:05:00 PT)
Auction Ended:
(August 22, 2013 18:05:00 PT)

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Seller's Description

Guns For Sale - Deutsche Werke Ortgies -- .32 ACP Semi-Auto Pocket Pistol - C&R OK

LSB#: 130502MR02

Make: Deutsche Werke

Model: Ortgies - .32 ACP

Serial Number: 181677

Year of Manufacture: 1919-1921

Caliber: .32 ACP (7.65mm Browning)

Action Type: Single Action Semi-Automatic Pistol with Removable Magazine

Markings: The left side of the slide is marked “Deutsche Werke”, a logo, and “Werk Erfurt.” The right side of the slide is marked “Ortgies’ Patent”. The top of the slide and the right side of the frame both have a Crowned “N” proof. The bottom of the frame in front of the trigger guard is marked “181677 / Germany”. The barrel is marked with a Crowned “N” proof and “Cal 7.65m/m”.

Barrel Length: 3 3/8”

Sights / Optics: The front sight is a short blade fixed to the slide. The rear sight is a “U” notch in the base formed on the back of the slide.

Stock Configuration & Condition: The grips are smooth walnut with a bronze medallion on each grip. The medallions show a dragon with a long tail shaped in the form of a “D”. The grips show handling marks and light oil staining. There are small sharp compression marks on the right grip with surface loss above the medallion and one or two compression marks on the left grip. The grips rate in about Very Good overall condition.

Type of Finish: Blue

Finish Originality: All Original

Bore Condition: The bore is bright and the rifling is deep. There is no erosion in the bore.

Overall Condition: This handgun retains about 80-85% of its metal finish. The front of the slide at the muzzle and the top, bottom and back edges of the slide show some surface loss. The slide also shows spots of surface loss around the port opening and on the top and right sides. The extractor shows surface loss. The bottom corner of the backstrap shows thinning, and the backstrap and front strap show light compression marks. There is light pinprick surface erosion on top edges of the slide with spots on the right side of the slide, and right side of frame behind the trigger. The sides of the trigger guard, the safety and the magazine release show thinning. The markings are clear. Overall, this handgun rates in about Fine condition.

Mechanics: The action functions correctly. We did not fire this handgun. See Assessment for operation of safety.

Box, Paperwork & Accessories: This pistol comes with one 7 round magazine. It is marked with the Deutsche Werke logo and “Cal. 7,65” on the floorplate. The magazine shows minimal wear, and is in about Excellent condition.

Our Assessment: From Wikipedia: “The pistol was produced in 6.35 mm, 7.65 mm, and 9 mm variants. Although not expensive, at the time it was of advanced design and high quality construction with relatively few parts, well sealed against dirt. Metal components were forged or machined, and assembly in general made no use of screws, even securing the wooden grips with metal clips. The hammerless action depended on a spring-loaded striker to fire the cartridge. Unusual design features included the safety and the multi-caliber magazine. The safety was a lever inset into the back of the grip and, with the gun cocked, forced backward out of the grip into the "safe" position by spring tension from the firing pin upon depression of a button under the slide. Thus, engaging the safety simultaneously reduced tension on the firing pin spring. To disengage the safety, a shooter simply would squeeze the grip, pressing the lever forward and locking it flush with the back of the pistol. The Ortgies was a well-balanced, sturdy weapon that found considerable favor in competitive shooting. In 1921, prize winners at some 70% of principal shooting competitions had chosen Ortgies 7.65 mm pistols, and the winner of the German championship on September 26, 1921, at Halensee, Germany, took the prize firing an Ortgies. At the other end of the user spectrum, outlaw John Dillinger carried an Ortgies.” This is a uniquely made pistol that is in great condition for its age and from its history would appear to be a very accurate little pistol. This pistol should be of interest to collectors, although there were quite a few brought into the US back in the 1920s. It has a great bore and will make someone a nice plinker in any event. There are several companies making aftermarket magazines for this pistol, which says something for its popularity.

CA Legal or CA Private Party Transferable: This C&R eligible handgun CAN be transferred as a dealer sale in California and CAN be sold as a Private Party Transfer (PPT) at our Simi Valley shop. All cartridge firing handguns (even C&R's and antiques) sold to a California resident must be DROS'd. This does not apply to out of state residents.

Payment and Shipping Instructions:

USPS or UPS Insured shipping will cost $25. (USPS to 01-FFL's, UPS to 03-C&R's)

Your item will be shipped within 1 week of receipt of good funds, usually the next day. You will receive an automatic notification with a tracking number upon shipment, to let you know that we have received funds. (Please obtain a tracking number from your carrier for immediate delivery confirmation of payment). If you are in Southern California, you are welcome to pick your item up and complete the transfer at our shop in Simi Valley (M-F, 8-4 and Saturday By Appointment).

This gun can only be shipped to an FFL or C&R, and it will be shipped from an FFL. It is your responsibility to ensure that the gun is legal to own and receive in your area. If you would like to be notified when we receive your payment, please obtain a tracking number from your carrier.

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CA Sales tax applies to CA buyers (7.5%).

Layaways are offered on all items, requiring a 20% non refundable down payment within 7 days of the auction’s close and the balance within 60 days. We do not require prior notice to place an item on the layaway. No returns are accepted on layaway items and the item will be considered abandoned after 60 days.

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Phone: (805) 285-0715
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