What qualifies a firearm as a C&R. I've been wanting to address this issue for some time now. There seems to be alot of confusion and misunderstanding on this between buyers-sellers and even ATF agents. Ask 10 people and you will get 10 different answers. Everything from it has to be military surplus to it can't use modern ammo or it has to be on the ATF's list--of which none is true. I finally called and talked to the ATF's Fierarms and Technology Branch in Washington DC. This is the dept that qualifies firearms as C&Rs. The answer I got from them is what I've always understood a C&R firearm to be. As long as the firearm was manufactured 50 yrs or more from the current date--determined by ser# or production data and is unaltered--not made illegal--that it qualifies as a C&R. They admitted that the regulation books don't help much in understanding the laws.
I know there are alot of C&R license holders--myself included--that watch for autions listed as C&Rs. But also miss out on a lot of firearms because sellers don't list them as or don't know if it qualifies. I know I will always pay extra for a firearm that qualifies. Saves me FFL fee and an 80 mile round trip to pick gun up. I'm sure most sellers wouldn't mind making a little extra on their auctions.
Would really appreciate any comments on this. Have got some really nice guns and dealt with super people on this site. Have yet to have a bad experience. Thanks--Greg
You have it right. Allthough some states a c&r doesnot work. We are dealers at Riverside Service and will ship to C&R license if it is legal to. In our adds we will sttae if C7R is eligable. It is worth it to a seller to do this as a sale can be more likley.
nhmoose--Thanks for the reply. Wish all sellers would list in ads if it is a C&R. I'm in no way telling anyone how to run their business--farming is hard enough--but I'm sure they would make a little extra by listing them C&Rs if they qualify. I know the laws are sometimes confusing and vary according to state. Here in Michigan you have to get a purchase permit and have the handgun safety inspected for modern handguns. Now local authorities are telling me same applys for antique and C&R handguns. Trying to find an answer to this. Anyhow thanks again--Greg
If you go to http://www.atf.gov/ then click on firearms at the top of the page, then look to the right there is a list the ATF puts up of what's a legal C&R item, they're all listed here. It has to do with age mostly but there are exceptions. Like the comemeratives and centinial model guns may be a first run new wepon, and the dealers have ask them to be put on the C&R list. Basicly the C&R is for collectors.
Just my thoughts on C&R licenses. We are annually inspected by ATF and are aware of their zero tolerance for honest mistakes. Unless I'm 100% positive its on the list we won't list C&R eligible. I don't have books on the date of mfr. for all firearms, so sometimes the C&R has educated me. The few extra bucks are not worth my livelihood. Thank You!
SPORTSMANSSUPPLY--Thanks for comments. Like I said before I would in no way begin to tell someone how to run their business. Also know that its hard to find info and dates for some firearms--especially some of the off brands. Just wanted to get some thoughts and comments on this. Thanks--Greg
I believe the biggest difficulty with the Curio and Relic definition of a firearm lies with the "Curio" aspect. The "Relic" characteristic addresses the age. That is pretty easy to define. The "Curio" characteristic must meet the finer definition of why this firearm is unusual from others within its age and class. Both characteristics stand alone, however. A Relic does not need to be a Curio to qualify as a Curio and Relic. Also, not all Curios need to be Relics. Is there an expert out there who can confirm this?
I'll take another stab at this and try to help some folks. Lord knows I'm no scholar on the subject. Your right ODOTER, The Relic part refers to age. The Curio as described in the dictionary means "Something unusual -- perhaps worthy of collecting". In order to qualify as a curio under the license the manufactures have to patition the feds to have a gun listed as a curio. Most of the guns under this catagory are centennial, commeratives, special and limited additions and so on. As complete a list as there is you can find on www.atf.gov under firearms, then to the right there's a list and on that list you'll see curios and relics. This is supposed to be all, but consider it's the feds and there always behing.
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