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Thread Admin: lawman1990 (1-0-0) Posted: 12/11/2009 at 11:03:19
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Thread Title: "Scammer thief "WINGSHOTS""
(no avatar) Beware of the seller "wingshots" from easley SC, he is a thief. I won and paid for a brand new remington 870 "NWTF" 12g which i was going to give my son for his first turkey season hunt. I sent out the M/O and was given a tracking number. Turns out tracking number was bogus and 3 months later I have no gun and i'm out $305.00. AA tried to help but to no avail. John, mr. wingshots, won't answer my e-mails anymore and won't answer his phone. To bad there is no security for the buyers. Because of this experience I made a good friend, well known on this site, but i don't think i could send off another M/O to a stranger with any confidence that i would get my merchandise, might as well put cash in the envelope. No matter what anyone says, there is no recourse that will get you your money back if you send a money order to a stranger.
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Seller: obi1gr(5974-39-70) Post#1 - Posted: 12/11/2009 at 13:35:50
(no avatar) have you contacted the postal inspector and atf regarding this?

Thread Admin: lawman1990(1-0-0) Post#2 - Posted: 12/11/2009 at 16:03:47
(no avatar) The postal inspector yes and the ATF no, not yet, but i will. Post office took the info but of course could not make any promises which i completly understand.

Buyer: brainaxe(11-0-0) Post#3 - Posted: 12/12/2009 at 15:12:16
brainaxe I thought a M/O was guaranteed against fraud??? NO??

Thread Admin: lawman1990(1-0-0) Post#4 - Posted: 12/12/2009 at 15:29:59
(no avatar) No, it's not, if you send it to someone it's as good as cash and once it is cashed there is nothing that can be done. The post office will take the report but they only care about stolen M/O's, not the one's we buy and send off to God know's who.

Former Seller: Yone(570-0-2) Post#5 - Posted: 12/12/2009 at 16:37:04
(no avatar) Lawmen--You have been talking to an idiot. The postal service works very hard to recover your loss. If they didn't no one would buy a money order. I have dealt with the postal inspectors out of Denver. They are tenacious. ---Tks

Seller: Hartwell Gun(1154-1-2) Post#6 - Posted: 12/12/2009 at 16:48:29
Hartwell Gun Lawman1990-That is what feedback is for!!!Buy with confidence and safety from the sellers with the high positive feedback numbers and also look for the length of time a seller has been registered.Looking at his feedback it seems he did more buying than selling.A deal that seems to good to be true,usually is,especially by someone who has just signed up.Easily SC is in Pickens county-If i were you i would also contact the State Attorney general's office (SC)and the Pickens County S.O.

Thread Admin: lawman1990(1-0-0) Post#7 - Posted: 12/12/2009 at 20:55:16
(no avatar) Well, like I said, the post office has the report and may or may not investigate and I may or may not get my money back. The point is that the guy took my money, just another one to watch out for.

Seller: kag1834(425-3-0) Post#8 - Posted: 12/13/2009 at 06:18:07
(no avatar) Been there done that - Fact is no one cares unless of course it was the them that is owed the money - Then they have all the resourses to get their money back - I have reported MO's being sent with no goods received and have yet to even receive an answer that they even got my complaint- I have been to the Attorney Genral more than once and haven't heard from them either - Anytime I have pursued a deadbeat using all the laws to protect us and I have only spent more money and time to come up with the same end, nothing - Like it or no the deadbeats win - Sad but true

Thread Admin: lawman1990(1-0-0) Post#9 - Posted: 12/13/2009 at 08:02:30
(no avatar) I think that until a seller has a proven track record and a crap load of positive feedbacks, that there should be some sort of escrow account set up by the administration. Buyer sends the money to the account, once item is shipped and all is well the buyers FFL notifies tha administation and funds are released to seller,,,,sounds simple enough and everybody wins and stays safe. If i had a sight............

Former Seller: 8042(129-0-0) Post#10 - Posted: 12/13/2009 at 16:09:50
8042 I would agree with you on that Lawman 1990. I have been OK so far but have had a few dealings I was concerned about untill the package arrived. Some type of Hold System especially for new sellers might just prevent these thieves from running wild.

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