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|Former Seller: quackilla(11-0-0)||Post#1 - Posted: 05/09/2007 at 11:15:34|
|Gov I have figured out if your name is common like John Brown it doesnt matter what you do it will be delayed, I have a friend that is in the same boat he has a common name and the sad part is the people doing the check do not get in a hurry. Quack|
|Thread Admin: gov2mod(1748-0-0)||Post#2 - Posted: 05/09/2007 at 11:39:33|
|Quackilla, well it's John but not Brown. It's not terribly common but not so different either. It's the same as a famous millionaire. You know what it is from buying the choke tube from me. You are correct about the ones doing the check not being in any hurry. You would think that after operating the system for over 12 years they would know what they are doing.|
|Seller: Petesguns(393-0-0)||Post#3 - Posted: 05/09/2007 at 13:52:54|
|Your dealer should have a form with which you can apply for a PIN. You will need a fingerprint card and it pretty much is a total background check. The idea apparently is that you give the PIN to the dealer the next time you are doing a 4473 and then he gives it to the NICS operator providing a clear road to a faster transaction. I have sold over 3000 guns in the last 2 1/2 years and NEVER have encountered anyone with a federal PIN.|
|Former Seller: miss.t(1069-0-1)||Post#4 - Posted: 05/09/2007 at 15:51:26|
|(no avatar)||I've only had one customer use a PIN number and it worked, went right through. He says he never waits anymore. Another of my customers is in the process of applying for one, yees fingerprints are required.|
|Former Seller: Joes Custom Guns(262-1-1)||Post#5 - Posted: 05/09/2007 at 16:20:09|
|(no avatar)||I think that every FFL should have an UPIN #,all that Information is already on CC Lic premit|
|Thread Admin: gov2mod(1748-0-0)||Post#6 - Posted: 05/09/2007 at 20:04:58|
|I'm not worried about the fingerprints. The FBI just checked mine for my Florida permit renewal. If the FBI can appove me why does NICS take so long? I was just wondering what the UPIN entailed and any downside to it. I know that (allegedly!) that our background checks are destroyed after the check but what records are kept with the UPIN? Is it the dealer that keeps the info or the NICS system?|
|Seller: Petesguns(393-0-0)||Post#7 - Posted: 05/10/2007 at 07:43:12|
|cyro, yes, alot of that info is included, but for live, up-to-date info, in case the permit holder just had an RO or something put on him, the NICS center is SUPPOSED to have access to all real time info. Of course, as we all know, it doesn't always happen that way. It WOULD be cool if there were a NATIONAL permit that allowed CC as well as purchase across state lines of ALL types of guns, and eliminated all state jurisdiction in such matters, maybe that would be easier, but of course, they would find SOME way to screw that up as well. At least there would be a central record bureau for everyone, but Big Brother would abuse it, for sure.|
|Seller: Elitist(92-0-0)||Post#8 - Posted: 05/10/2007 at 10:06:29|
|It WOULD be cool if there were a NATIONAL permit that allowed CC as well as purchase across state lines of ALL types of guns, and eliminated all state jurisdiction in such matters, maybe that would be easier, but of course, they would find SOME way to screw that up as well. At least there would be a central record bureau for everyone, but Big Brother would abuse it, for sure.
Be careful what you wish for: you might get it. In the first place, this would be a clear violation of state sovreignity, and hence unconstitutional on its face. The states aren't administrative subdivisions of the Federal government. They can do what they like in most matters, and until and unless the Supreme Court rules definitively that the Second Amendment applies to the states, they have the authority to place what regulations they like on such things. The wording of the Gun Control Act makes this plain: it ONLY applies to intrastate transfers, because the Feds don't have jurisdiction on intrastate transfers, states do. It would be a dagerous precedent to have them pass such a law because my extension it can be applied to ANY matter now regulated by state Codes, not just guns.
How long would it take New York or New Jersey to file a lawuit to strike the law down, because they didn't want to honor the permit? Maybe five minutes?
The analogy that's usually used here is the driver's license, which is honored by all states regardless of where it's issued. But there is no Federal law that mandates this: it's a matter of convenience for the states and they do it voluntarily. In fact, some states will NOT honor some other state driver's licenses. If you live in a state where the driving age is 15, and have a valid license, and are 15...don't get caught driving in New York, because you'll be cited for "driving without a valid license." New York and other states don't regard that license as legal.
The other example is the so-called "national speed limit" of 55 MPH. Fact is we never had, nor could we legally have had, any such thing. The states were coerced by the Feds into passing 50 STATE speed limits that just happened to be 55 MPH. How? By telling them that they wouldn't get highway trust fund money of they didn't. The states complied, but the fact is that there never was a "national speed limit," nor is there a "national right turn on red" law or a "national drinking age" of 21. And even before the Constitution was amended to allow 18-year olds to vote, some states allow it, because states (not the Feds) set their own rules for voting. (By the way...there is no requirement in the Constitution that one has to be a citizen to vote...if California or New York wanted to grant voting privileges to illegal aliens, they could do so, quite legitimately.)
The real danger is that if this law were passed, it would more or less instantly be transformed into a nationwide gun and gun owner registration system; and within minutes, loaded up with all kinds of requirements and tests and performance standadrs that essentially no one but an LEO could meet. Personally I wouldn't like to hand that kind of power over to, say, Hillary Clinton or John Kerry and a Democrat Congress. Would any of you think having a "national carry permit" is worth that risk?
|Former Seller: OLD RATTLER(146-0-0)||Post#9 - Posted: 05/10/2007 at 10:26:09|
|(no avatar)||I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE federal government TAKE OVER ANYTHING FROM THE STATES.
When the FEDS. take over ANYTHING, we the people LOSE A VOICE IN OUR democracy. At least our state LEGISLATORS and REPRESENTATIVES listen to the people SOME of the time.
The FEDS don't listen and have no ACCOUNTABILITY. Look at what we have in ATF, FEMA, EPA, and the list can go on and on .
|Seller: Pappa Jim(30-1-0)||Post#10 - Posted: 05/10/2007 at 13:36:47|
You'd have an easier job if you just listed the government agencies that wern't corrupted.
Below is the list of one I have found that aren't messed up.
And that is the compleate list.