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Thread Admin: Wild West Guns (646-1-3) Posted: 10/12/2006 at 13:15:30
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Thread Title: "Logging Out Guns that are sent out then returned?"
(no avatar) OK...would like to hear from you volume guys...lets take this scenario: Gun purchased, gun shipped, we log out IMMEDIATELY. Gun makes it to buyers dealer the next day, buyer is waiting right there, looks at gun, says as is his right...I dont want it, send it back. Now technically, buyers FFL is supposed to log in immediately upon receipt....if he does and sends it back...copasetic...Ill have an entry for the gun going out, he'll have one in and out, and I'll have a new entry for the gun coming in. On the other hand, lets say he doesnt log it in or out...just sends it back...Now I've got it coming in from him, but he has no entry of it coming in or out. Now its really not my problem, but I can see in some unlikely events the ATF questioning the transaction (its like over prescribing medical tests, you can never be too careful)....so...safe being sorry, should I require PROOF from the recipient dealer that he has fulfilled his obligations to login/out...guess its academic since we have only had I think two returns in 650 plus transactions......but ya never know. What say ye fellow sellers (and Im not intersted in smarmy, or indeed any, responses from the playground clique)
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Former Seller: bobstat(78-0-0) Post#1 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 13:30:01
(no avatar) sounded like a legit. question until the end

Former Seller: Joes Custom Guns(203-1-1) Post#2 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 14:08:17
(no avatar) I guss that you could just drive over and tell him how you want it done,He just might show you the door

Seller: Manlicher(59-1-1) Post#3 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 14:26:08
(no avatar) I don't think it is a problem as long as you have his FFL and your acquisition/disposition book is logged properly. He may have a problem if the ATF sees your log and then wants to see his log. Cheers

Former Seller: Panhandle Gunslingers(193-0-0) Post#4 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 14:55:42
(no avatar) WWG,

You can't be held legally responsible for someone else's actions. I have my boat loaded handling my own business and paperwork without sticking my nose into someone else's. If you shipped the gun, you have his FFL. If he ships it back, it shouldn't matter to you, but as Manlicher said, it could to him. My opinion is that the various departments of the BAFTE aren't working that closely together and unless the gun was used in a crime, the error would never come to light. Also, what would you use for proof? A copy of my log book? My gut tells me you aren't entitled to it. Why create more paper?

Lady

Former Seller: OLD RATTLER(128-0-0) Post#5 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 15:55:23
(no avatar) Lady ; You impress me with your knowledge and common sense .

And I ain't easily impressed.

Thread Admin: Wild West Guns(646-1-3) Post#6 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 17:02:22
(no avatar) I just knew we would see Mr. Cyro here...get a life :)

Thread Admin: Wild West Guns(646-1-3) Post#7 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 17:04:48
(no avatar) Good points LadyG...on the other hand there are tons of ATF scenarios that start with "What If".......and your right, I wouldnt give someone else my log book, wouldnt expect that from them. Maybe the simple solution is to require that all returns be accompanied by an copy of an FFL.....just as a reminder

Former Seller: c3shooter(27-0-0) Post#8 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 18:02:56
c3shooter WWG- Umm- you SENT it to a FFL- who gave you his FFL license- or at least the license number. You logged it out- and it gets returned by the same FFL you sent it to. Am I following this right so far? If so, you logged it out to that FFL, and logged it in as returned by that FFL- whose license you already have- right? Disclaimer- I am not a dealer- am a hobbyist collector/ 03 FFL- when I recieve a weapon, I log it into my bound volume. I am not concerned with whether the selling FFL logged it out of his book properly. I worry about my paperwork, he can worry about his own. Or did I miss something- I'm a little slow tonite.

Seller: Petesguns(243-0-0) Post#9 - Posted: 10/12/2006 at 19:00:15
Petesguns WWG, I think as long as you logged it out, and then logged it back in, it really dosen't matter WHAT the other FFL did, as long as you have the trail covered.

Former Seller: Panhandle Gunslingers(193-0-0) Post#10 - Posted: 10/13/2006 at 05:09:42
(no avatar) Maybe the simple solution is to require that all returns be accompanied by an copy of an FFL.....just as a reminder

If you shipped the gun, you have the proper paperwork to receive it. This would be unnecessary, but as I said, I have my own boat loaded without worrying about other people's paperwork.

Lady

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